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INVERTASE Please Share Some Wisdom!

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I'm not sure about a specific recipe to refer you to, but this thread has some great information on invertase.

http://www.thechocolatelife.com/forum/topics/invertase

I'd also suggest looking into Wybauw's book Fine Chocolates - Great Experience 3 http://www.amazon.com/Fine-Chocolates-Great-Experience-Extending/dp/9020990209/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1380666490&sr=1-1&keywords=fine+chocolates+3

It specifically discusses shelf life and is very insightful.

Have a great day,

Larry

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So this is my issue. I have a truffle recipe I am trying to create and after a few days it crystalizes(sandy texture inside the filling). The ingredients inside consist of sweetened condensed milk, table cream, cocoa powder etc. I then put this in a pot over the stove to cook it until it reaches a certain consistency then cool it off until it is ready to go inside truffle shells.I would really like to extend the shelf life by stopping the crystallization from occurring. Some people told me that invertase is the solution to the problem. I ordered some from Lorann oils but I have no idea how to use it. Please, anyone who may have some information will be helpful!

Thank You!!

updated by @John E: 04/13/15 11:38:12

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A gum arabic solution is often used to seal items such as dried fruits and nuts for panning because it stops fat and moisture migration and enhances shelf life. My guess is a similar process could be used on inclusions by spraying the proper solution with a compressor onto inclusions in a panning drum, letting the solution set on items, then dropping them into your bars/bark/whatever.

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I bought directly from Selmi. Thank you all for your replies . I will see which works best for me .

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Dear Steve,

We also have two Selmi's and include nibs (through the Selmi) and sometimes other inclusions (like bacon) that we mix outside the Selmi. Cleaning the Selmi is quite a task, so we prefer to keep dark and milk chocolate separate (the reason why we use two) and avoid to the max any inclusion (nib is fine because you can re-work if needed. Mixing outside the Selmi works well, but you need to be quick!

Rainins and almonds don't go through a Selmi so you would need to mix in a bowl before it goes into a mold.

Best and success

Rodney Nikkels

Amsterdam

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Brad -

You are absolutely right that it's completely possible to take chocolate out of any temperer, add inclusions, and hand mold.

My experience in selling continuous tempering machines tells me that one of the early questions that arises is, "Can I directly deposit inclusions by adding them to the chocolate in the working bowl?" People are looking to continuous tempering machines to get away from the need to have to hand mix and pour. This is what I think Steve is looking to do.

For everyone reading this thread - what are the various different ways you handle inclusions? And what sort of tempering approach are you using (hand, small batch machine, continuous, etc)?

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You bought directly from Selmi? Or through a dealer in some other country? Whoever you bought the machine from should be your first line of contact for training and technical support.

Contact TomBauweraerts here on TheChocolateLife. He works for Selmi and has chimed in on a number of discussions related to continuous tempering. There is a lot to know about using continuous tempering machines that is different from batch tempering. Selmi may be at the Salon du Chocolat Professionnel next month and if they are you might be able to get some hands-on training there.

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Sebastian -

Good to know, thanks for that tidbit. Goes against everything I have ever heard on this subject.

Any way to process the inclusions to form an effective oxygen barrier that's not to heinous (from an ingredient perspective) or cost-prohibitive overall?

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Actually, chocolate is a fantastically poor oxygen barrier. Ensuring they are completely covered in chocolate results in ever-so-slightly more protection vs just letting the nuts lie out on your kitchen countertop. Counter-intuitive, i know.

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My staff make a couple of hundred pounds of bark (chocolate with inclusions) per month, and the easiest they have found is to temper the chocolate, and pour everything into a stainless steel bowl mix it well with a spoon, then working quickly, pour it into trays to set.

I know of other chocolatiers who make bars in the manner in which Clay describes below. It's very time consuming, and you have to work quickly because once the chocolate goes into the molds it begins to set almost immediately.

Coppeneur does theirs in small plastic trays, and then sells the chocolate right in the tray. That's a pretty cool way of doing things. I was actually thinking of copying them.

Cheers.

Brad

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Hi Clay...thank you for that. Unfortunately there's no such thing as a dealer here (Ireland) so any info I can get here is a big help.

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Steve -

You should talk to your local dealer to get specific instructions on how to clean your machine and change over from one chocolate to another (those two procedures are not the same thing).

I know that Tom B., who know Selmi well, is a member here, and he may have some guidance on those topics for you as well.

It's also my understanding (and I know Tom can provide exact dimnsions), that the maximum size of inclusion that you can add to the chocolate will be about 3mm (1/8"). If your inclusions are larger than that they can't be pumped through the machine so you can't add them to the working bowl of chocolate. You need to sprinkle them on top of the chocolate after the mold is filled and then vibrate them in. This creates a shelf life issue if the items are not completely covered as the nuts can go stale or rancid if they are not completely covered. [ Turns out not - see Sebastian's reply below. One reason why I still read TheChocolateLife - I learn something new almost every time I do. ]

:: Clay

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Hello...first post here. I've decided to go into the chocolate bar business. I must confess I don't know a whole pile about chocolate other than the basics from the net. I have purchased a new selmi tempering machine and have moulds and chocolate etc. I was hoping someone could advise me on the best way to mix ingredients with my chocolate. I have a raisins and almonds going into my milk chocolate and I have toffee pieces going into the dark. Is the best option to mix them with the chocolate in the tempering machine? If yes then how do I clean the machine when changing from one chocolate to the other? Thank you in advance
updated by @Steve6: 04/11/25 09:27:36

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i just get chocolate int callets a meltbarry callebaut no beans

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According to Greweling the shelf life of the average cream ganache is three weeks. Butter ganache 6-8

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Hi Laura, where are you currently getting your cacao beans from, if I may?

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This book gives a good introduction to a complex topic

http://www.amazon.com/Fine-Chocolates-Great-Experience-Extending/dp/9020990209/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1380443919&sr=1-1&keywords=fine+chocolates+3

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Hi all

Currently I make chocolates at home but I would like to start a bigger production

I would like to know if anyone know's how to get a good shelf life for a ganache?

I know you can add trimoline invert sugar or sugar but I have not had much experience in using it so I don't know how much to add

I mostly just make a simply ganache eg

100g cream 250g chocolate 100g puree few drops of flavour

As you will know this type of recipe is great for small batches to be eaten within the next few days ??? or a week ??? I think, but not so good if you plan to keep then for a while .... they will get mould !!!!

If i were to add invert sugar and cook it with the puree, will this extend the self life ? I don't know If this is the right sugar to add or how much to add.

can you help ??

updated by @Laura Marion: 04/11/25 09:27:36

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Hello Clay Gordon,.......

I want to know few attractive ideas to make chocolates and how to increase my production.

regards.

Satish Agnihotri.

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Satish -

There's not enough question here for us to know (me to know) what you are looking to do. "... in this field" covers a lot of ground.

:: Clay

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this is my first post and just started as a hme made concept and found very interesting and innovative. I just want to know about the best options and ideas in this feild.

updated by @SATISH AGNIHOTRI: 04/16/15 17:48:22

Upgrade from Champion Juicer for making cocoa liquor

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Give me another year using the Spectra before I can comment with any authority. I guess at this point it is flip a coin.

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If you were purchasing an entry levelmelanger, based on your experience, which brand would you buy?

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The cylindrical stones of the spectra or premiere wonder grinder do seem to accept the nib a little easier than the cocoatown's conical stones. That being said, I used Cocoa Towns for several years with no problem.

Thomas: I'd highly recommend replacing the CocoaTown's belt with the fiberglass link belt. It's so much better than the stock one. I never had a problem with the belts in my CocoaTowns in the years I used them.

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I have used a small Cocoa Town and put nib straight in the melanger. After 30 or so batches, it took longer and longer to get the nibs in the machine without freezing. I recently ordered a new belt and will see if it gets back to old form. I also purchased a new small Sprecta recently and it took the nibs with no problem. Let's see if it still handles it after some use.

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You can skip pre-grinding on any of the melangers that are discussed here and on Chocolate Alchemy. The key is to add the nibs slowly to the melanger. Also, heat helps the process. You can prewarm the nibs, and the bowl and roller stones, or just use a heat gun for a while when adding the nibs.

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Hi Ben,

What type of melanger are you using that allows you to skip pregrinding?

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Ben -

These commercial machines have 5 hp motors and are designed to work with viscous ingredients. The nib will turn from powder to paste once enough heat has been generated as you learned. However, having a powder and not a paste is not a bad thing, necessarily.

Robot Coupe does make VMCs and they also are expensive - new. The Hobart that you can buy used for <$5k costs over $13,000 new.

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When first starting out with making chocolate as a hobby, I used a food processor with a similar blade arrangement to a VCM to pregrind nibs into liquor. It worked pretty well until I burned up the motor.

I tried a different food processor, but it only could get the nib to a powdery state. I looked into a Robot Coupe, but decided they were too expensive at the time.

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Thanks Ben! I appreciate it.

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Thanks, Clay. Awesome.

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Madeleine:

One model of vertical cutter mixer (VCM) is from Hobart (link to Hobart web site page for the HCM 450). They tend to be expensive when new, but you can get them for under $5k used through eBay or Union Equipment. In fact, it was a conversation with Jim Greenberg at Expo East that brought using a VCM to my attention. You should be able to process ~20lbs of nib into liquor in about five minutes or so. If you start with smaller quantities of nib, after grinding it into liquor you should be able to add sugar to it and pre-refine in the VCM.

Many schools and colleges with food service operations have VCMs. You should be able to find one locally and run a test before going out and buying one.

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Yep, the newer model is the PN2.

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Thank-you both!

Ben- Do you know if the newer model is called PN2? If so, I will probably do that- there's one on craigslist in my area.

Clay- very interesting about vertical cutter mixers- I had never heard of them. If the meat-grinder machines are in between peanut butter machines and vertical cutters price-wise I would love any other info that you already know. Otherwise, I'll call some meat grinder companies later today and ask around.

Thanks very much!

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Agreed on the Olde Tyme Peanut grinders having issues with lower-fat beans. I have an older model that would occasionally trip the breaker if I fed it too quickly. I've spoken with another maker who has the newer model, and they say it does much better in that regard.

I'd definitely be interested in learning more about any other options out there.

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The Old Tyme peanut grinders work well for many bean types. However, if you have one that does not have a lot of fat in it, it does slow down.

There are machines I have seen that look like meat grinders, but have stainless steel grinding burrs that are specifically designed to handle oily nuts, seeds, and beans, including cocoa. Throughput is over 20kg/hr and the fineness is 80-100 microns. If you are interested I can look into them more closely.

Another alternative I have been looking into is vertical cutter mixers. You could probably process about 30 pounds of nib into coarse liquor in under five minutes. You can find them used for very good prices, especially for the capacity and throughput. Also, you can add sugar to the liquor to pre-refine before putting into the grinder.

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Hi Madeleine. One option is an olde tyme peanut butter grinder. I used one for a while, and know of some others who use them, too. These days, though, I skip the pregrinding step and just put the nib straight into the melanger.

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I think the realistic next step will be a chocolate batch size of 60 pounds. As for budget, at this point I'm a bit flexible. I want to know some options so I can figure out what makes sense.

I guess I'm interested in learning about the smaller possible steps up first. Maybe <5k for a grinding solution. But if it made sense longer term to invest in something more expensive, I'd like to be aware of that.

I'd like grinding to take less time than it does now. Again, I'm not sure what a reasonable expectation here is.

Thanks Clay!

Madeleine

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Madeleine -

What's your budget and what batch size are you contemplating (not what you're doing now) and how long do you want it to take?

:: Clay

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Hello fellow chocolate-lovers.

I'm wondering if anyone could offer guidance on which machine/ system to use as a step up from grinding clean cocoa nibs into cocoa liquor with a Champion Juicer.

I have a (very) small from-the-bean choco business and my current system for getting from nibs to liquor seems like it would be untenable on a larger scale.

Thanks!

Madeleine

updated by @Madeleine Siegel: 04/11/25 09:27:36

I was wondering if anyone can tell me what is in this picture and how it affects bean to bar

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Hi Tom,

Thank you very much for answering my question. I will remove them with some sort of strainer. I didn't even think of that.

As for the beans, I purchased them from Chocolate Alchemy and had them roasted and winnowed. I know I am doing things backward but I am building a winnower and since I had the beans and the refiner, I wanted to experience what a finished bar would be like. I will study the comments on here and the forum on Chocolate Alchemy in regards to tips and reference points for roasting.

Thank you again!

I was wondering if anyone can tell me what is in this picture and how it affects bean to bar

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This is just the germ, true it is more bitter and harderbut don't bother taking themall out.You can get rid ofquite a few of them by using a fine kitchen sieve, when I crack my beans I push everything through a 1/4 inch sieve (to remove whole beans so I can crack them again and have a uniform size) and then use a kitchen sieve to remove dust and quite a lot of the germ.

As for the bitterness I don't think the germ here is responsible. More likely the beans inherent bitterness, I have found this origincan give that lingering bitterness especially if roasted too long and esspecially if the batch you have is not well fermented. Also with a 90% formulation you will notice it more, go for something more like a 70% and see how that goes. A good way of using beans that are a bit too bitter is to make milk chocolate with it.